Ever wondered if you'd rather speak 10 languages or master 10 different musical instruments? Join us on episode five of the HVACology podcast, where Kelly and Ryan kick things off with this fun hypothetical question that reveals Ryan's travel stories and linguistic aspirations. Our special guest, Jeff Gezzi from GPS Air, shares his incredible journey from high school to his current role, detailing his background in mechanical engineering and his time with aerospace giant Pratt Whitney. Kelly and Ryan also reminisce about their past working experiences, adding a personal touch to Jeff's impressive career narrative.
Discover the transformative power of GPS ionization technology! Jeff dives deep into its practical applications within HVAC systems, explaining how it effectively reduces odors, pathogens, and dust. You’ll learn about the science behind ion lifespan and its benefits in diverse environments, from restaurants to hotels. Jeff's compelling anecdotes highlight the significant improvement in air quality that GPS ionization can bring, making it an essential listen for those invested in healthier indoor spaces. Additionally, listen to fascinating stories of how ionization technology can even make candle scents disappear.
Get ready to be amazed by the revolutionary CI2 compact ionizer! This small yet powerful device promises significant improvements in indoor air quality with minimal maintenance and low energy consumption. Comparable in size to a deck of cards and consuming just four watts, the CI2 is perfect for schools, airports, and even military bases. We discuss its economic advantages, including energy savings and operational efficiency, and share examples of successful implementations in local institutions. As we wrap up, Kelly gets excited about integrating this cutting-edge technology into home systems, reflecting on the broader impact of creating healthier living environments. Tune in for an engaging and informative episode that's sure to inspire a fresh look at indoor air quality!
Please be sure to subscribe to our podcast and share with anyone who might be interested!
Ever wondered if you'd rather speak 10 languages or master 10 different musical instruments? Join us on episode five of the HVACology podcast, where Kelly and Ryan kick things off with this fun hypothetical question that reveals Ryan's travel stories and linguistic aspirations. Our special guest, Jeff Gezzi from GPS Air, shares his incredible journey from high school to his current role, detailing his background in mechanical engineering and his time with aerospace giant Pratt Whitney. Kelly and Ryan also reminisce about their past working experiences, adding a personal touch to Jeff's impressive career narrative.
Discover the transformative power of GPS ionization technology! Jeff dives deep into its practical applications within HVAC systems, explaining how it effectively reduces odors, pathogens, and dust. You’ll learn about the science behind ion lifespan and its benefits in diverse environments, from restaurants to hotels. Jeff's compelling anecdotes highlight the significant improvement in air quality that GPS ionization can bring, making it an essential listen for those invested in healthier indoor spaces. Additionally, listen to fascinating stories of how ionization technology can even make candle scents disappear.
Get ready to be amazed by the revolutionary CI2 compact ionizer! This small yet powerful device promises significant improvements in indoor air quality with minimal maintenance and low energy consumption. Comparable in size to a deck of cards and consuming just four watts, the CI2 is perfect for schools, airports, and even military bases. We discuss its economic advantages, including energy savings and operational efficiency, and share examples of successful implementations in local institutions. As we wrap up, Kelly gets excited about integrating this cutting-edge technology into home systems, reflecting on the broader impact of creating healthier living environments. Tune in for an engaging and informative episode that's sure to inspire a fresh look at indoor air quality!
Please be sure to subscribe to our podcast and share with anyone who might be interested!
Speaker 1:
Welcome to the HVACology experience, where we talk about all things HVAC industry topics that are so hot, they are cool.
Speaker 2:
Okay, welcome to episode number 592. Wow, Kelly, can you believe that we've been doing it for this long?
Speaker 3:
I feel so old, Ryan Hudson.
Speaker 2:
No, it can't be 592. What episode is this, Kelly?
Speaker 3:
We are in episode five, and if you haven't yet liked or subscribed to our HVACology podcast, you should do it right now.
Speaker 2:
Kelly, great job, and you said that in such a way that made me want to like and subscribe it, so thank you so much.
Speaker 3:
Absolutely. You should go like and subscribe if you haven't, Ryan Hudson.
Speaker 2:
All right, I'm going to be completely honest. I've already done it. I almost wrote a review, but then I was like it's going to say Ryan Hudson in the review and then it's going to say podcast by Ryan Hudson. So that would be shameless. But, if I were going to write a review, Kelly, it would be about you.
Speaker 3:
Stop.
Speaker 2:
And how great you're doing.
Speaker 3:
Thanks I. You know what. You're the natural here. But you know I'm I'm just trying to be more like you. But I do have a question for you today.
Speaker 2:
Ooh a question, and I am not prepared for this question. If you're listening.
Speaker 3:
No, yeah. So I need to know if you could either speak 10 different languages or play 10 different instruments, which one would you choose?
Speaker 2:
Languages languages tell me why I like to travel and I would love to be able to so I've been. You ever watch the? Uh, there's this youtube reels that come on and it's just like really dorky white guy and he's in these like different places where there's chinese people and he speaks perfect mandarin and it always blows their mind whenever he does it that's fantastic.
Speaker 2:
I would love to do that because I think if I played instruments it would be. You know, it'd be pretty cool. But and I do play instruments. If you haven't noticed that, yeah, play instruments, but um, uh. But to be able to speak languages and like people don't know that I speak languages, because when I've traveled to other countries, I just know for a fact they're talking junk about me. But I don't know, I don't know for sure.
Speaker 3:
And you want to be able to know.
Speaker 2:
Yes.
Speaker 3:
Yes, you're right.
Speaker 2:
Good choice.
Speaker 3:
Good choice, good choice, good choice.
Speaker 2:
In fact, I was actually in Brazil one time and I was in, uh, búzios, which is an Island off of the off the coast of Brazil, and this guy was talking, and I did at one point understand Spanish pretty well, but the you know, in Brazil they speak Portuguese, yes, so I was able to take enough to realize that he was talking about me, but I didn't know quite what he was. So I think you've actually unlocked a deep, deep thing inside my heart when you asked me that question.
Speaker 3:
That's what my intention was, Ryan.
Speaker 2:
Yes, Thank you. Thank you so much. So who is our guest today? Kelly Patterson today.
Speaker 3:
Kelly Patterson, our guest today. I'm really excited to talk to him and I have been trying to get him on here for a few weeks now. We haven't worked out the schedule yet, but it is Jeff Gezzi from GPS Air.
Speaker 2:
All right, what is up, jeff?
Speaker 4:
Hey guys, how are you Happy to make it today? Happy to talk to you, happy to be a part of this great podcast.
Speaker 2:
So, Kelly, you may not know this, but Jeff and I go back. I was counting yesterday about 15 years, I think.
Speaker 3:
What I did not know, that.
Speaker 2:
Yes, so in a prior life Jeff and I worked together at a little place that has a blue oval called Carrier Corporation. Yep Did notrier.
Speaker 3:
Corporation. Yep Did not know that True.
Speaker 2:
And I will say this Jeff, do you know that within Carrier you probably had the most butchered name I had ever heard?
Speaker 3:
Wait, did I mispronounce it?
Speaker 2:
No, you said it, fantastic oh.
Speaker 4:
You were fantastic so glad. But there was an executive, a carrier, whose name was similar to mine and you would always get moved over to his name.
Speaker 2:
So yep, every everybody called jeff, jeff, guzzy yeah and I don't even know how phonically you get to that with your last name?
Speaker 3:
I don't either. It doesn't look like guzzy.
Speaker 2:
Okay, GPS Air Got it. So whenever you guys were coming up with that, did you not realize that that acronym was already taken?
Speaker 4:
Yeah, I think that may be why we put the air on the end. I think the GPS may be known, may be a known term. Yeah, I think that may be why we put the air on the end.
Speaker 3:
I think the GPS may be known may be a known term, yeah, or something, I don't recall.
Speaker 2:
Gotcha. So tell me before we get started into what GPS is and what you guys provide in the industry. Tell me, kind of Jeff, how you got from graduating high school to where you're at today. Just that high-level 5,000-foot view.
Speaker 4:
Sure, sure, sure, sure In high school, pretty good at math and science. I had an uncle that was an engineer. My dad thought that that would be a good place for me to go. I didn't really have any idea what I wanted to do in college and at first I thought that was the guy that drove the train. But I ended up going to University of Connecticut, graduating mechanical engineering.
Speaker 4:
From there I went over into aerospace. I worked with jet engines at Pratt Whitney, a subsidiary of UTC at the time, and I worked probably a dozen years there Kind of great experience from assembly and test out into working with airlines throughout the US and South America. But over time I was kind of interested in a more broad business background and we've seen a lot of consolidation in the airlines. So it's pretty, pretty, pretty narrow and that's what brought me over to Carrier, worked in some product development, ran a couple of product development teams and then into commercial service where I had an opportunity to meet with you.
Speaker 4:
Really a great experience working with different kinds of customers, being able to solve customer needs as part of a service group, and then ran into this whole idea of indoor air quality and GPS air. So to me you know we'll talk a lot about the importance of clean water and the like, but clean air is something that doesn't get the same level of attention, especially pre-2020. So that became kind of fascinating to me, allowed me to stay in the same kind of market Virginia and the Carolinas and moved over to GPS about three years ago.
Speaker 2:
Very cool. So that is a checkered past to get to where you're at today. Just listening to a story of engineering, to jet engines, to where you're at today, that's really cool.
Speaker 4:
Yeah, I think the technical side of any of the businesses is always kind of what's interesting to me, and probably that theme goes back to probably high school and why mechanical engineering at UConn was a good choice for me.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, Very cool. So tell me, what is it that GPS makes? What is it that you all build?
Speaker 4:
So we fall into the category of air purification. What we do is we make charged particles, that are called ions, that will move into the space to actively clean the air. Now, these charged particles, these ions, they're created in nature. Anytime rushing water occurs, water crashes, you'll see a high ion count. And these ions, when they get into the space, what they do is they agglomerate onto contaminants in the air and clean the air by pulling those contaminants out. So what we're trying to do, or what we do do, is we take what happens in nature and bring these ions into the space to agglomerate on to small could be pathogens. Any kind of small particle that would affect respiratory health and will help move those particles to the filter, help your filter be more effective or drop them out of the air. So, similar to the idea of clean air or clean water, we're able to clean the air.
Speaker 2:
So you said a lot right there. Maybe to just if I can kind of break it down a little bit. So you have this product that is creating ions, and basically what you're doing is you are moving or adding electrons to an atom. Is that correct?
Speaker 4:
It could be a molecule, it could be an atom, and that's a good point, right. There's a couple of different types of ionization, and that's a good point, right, there's a couple of different types of ionization. What we do with GPS is we create what we call soft, or what's called soft ionization. So we'll add a static charge to particles. So by that we'll have one of our emitters that almost works like an electron gun and it'll shoot electrons at particles as they go through your HVAC system. As that particle picks up an extra electron that becomes negatively charged. On the other side it almost works like a suction pump and it's going to pull an electron away to make that particle positively charged. Those particles then get into the space and because they're negative and positively charged, they'll snowball or agglomerate onto small particles.
Speaker 4:
Now there is a different type of ionization called hard ionization, and a lot of times if you look up a dielectric discharge, corona or corona discharge, dielectric barrier type technology, what happens there is you actually break molecules into different particles, so you're actually causing an air chemistry. In those cases you can have a little bit of an issue because if you break oxygen, which is O2, into O, and then O connects back with O2, because once air chemistry starts that chain reaction you really can't control. O3 is ozone. Ozone is great in the upper atmosphere, right, it's going to protect the earth from the UV rays of the sun. In the lower atmosphere, it causes respiratory issues, is very corrosive and very, very reactive. So it's important if you're looking at ionization technology to make sure that your products don't create ozone, and UL Underwriter Labs actually has a certification for that where it's a UL 2998 certification, an ozone-free certification. All of GPS's products are UL 2998 certified not to create ozone and to be safe.
Speaker 2:
Okay ion 8, certified not to create ozone and to be safe. Okay, so another way to say this is basically, when you add an electron, so that's a negatively charged particle, and what that is is, as you add more electrons, you're actually making it negative, and so that's an anion, right.
Speaker 4:
And then the positive charged ones would be cations, and so you're making both negative and positive uh particles right, that's true, and the reason why we do that is to take any electrostatics out of the, out of the space. If we only created negative ions um, then anytime you touched anything that was metallic in the space, you'd get that little shock, that electrostatic shocks. That's why we make both positive and negative um and then they work together um to continue to grow small particles and we can make them bigger yeah, and so, uh, maybe to kind of sit there for a minute.
Speaker 2:
So whenever you're making these negative or positively charged particles, what they're doing is they're attaching to other particles, which basically makes the particle bigger, right? And so yeah, so it felt like a Velcro or snowball and they and as they Velcro together, as they snowball together. It makes it to where your filters, which we talked about in episode one, have the ability to capture more particulates.
Speaker 4:
That's exactly right. The other benefit is these small particles, and when you talk about small particles it's referred to as ultra fine particles and those sizes are referred to in microns. So if you look at particles that are one micron and less, they don't really have any mass, so they don't move very well with bulk air. So a lot of your respiratory irritants are going to stay suspended in the air, not move with the bulk air, not move to the filters. So by us snowballing, agglomerating, attaching on Velcroing I thought was a good word that you used we're able to make those particles bigger so they do move with the bulk air better your natural airflow, which will then bring them to the filters and allow the filters to capture whatever you're trying to take out of the air these respiratory irritants.
Speaker 3:
And what are the respiratory irritants? Is it, you know, a cold virus, or is it a pollen, or is it? What is it?
Speaker 4:
It's kind of all of the above. You'll see bacterias, viruses, we'll test on influenza, rsv, covid. But a lot of hospitals, when they put our products in, they'll look at viable molds and viable bacterias to see how well we're able to pull that out. And that's kind of a benefit to the hospital sector is they're able to take those molds and bacterias out of the air. It reduces the opportunity for someone to have or catch a hospital-acquired infection, which is a very important metric for the healthcare industry.
Speaker 3:
Absolutely.
Speaker 2:
I may be putting you on the spot a little bit, jeff. I didn't give you this as something to think about, but how long have we known about this technology, the concept of introducing ions into indoor spaces? How long has that been around? Do you know, or an idea?
Speaker 4:
Yeah, ionization as a whole has been around since the 1920s. This idea of soft ionization and ionization to improve indoor air quality. That probably goes back let's see 20 years or so. Gps as a company, gps Air as a company, has been around since 2008. Since 2008. And our focus has been this idea of soft ionization and not having any air chemistry as a byproduct of our creation of ions.
Speaker 2:
And so that was maybe the problem, maybe with creating ions for indoor spaces that you had the potential to create ozone and now we don't have that with the product you have is. Is that right, a hundred percent? True, cool, all right, kelly, I felt like I just learned a lot Did you feel like you were in a chemistry class just now, and a fun one, jeff. You had my attention the whole time. Congratulations.
Speaker 2:
I appreciate that. That was cool, yeah. So let me ask you this Does it matter where you introduce the ions, as far as okay? Actually, let me reverse. I'm guessing you're going to want to put this somewhere within the HVAC equipment, right on the air side of the equipment.
Speaker 4:
Yeah, so for the most part we've got some products that fit in the space itself. For the most part our products fit into the rooftop unit, into your ductwork, and the idea is we're going to use the fan, the airflow through the we see the better efficacy we'll see, the quicker we'll be able to take odors, pathogens, molds and bacterias out of the air.
Speaker 2:
So you hit on a couple of things I wanted to talk about. So there's a lifespan to these ions, so it really matters where you put your, what your, your product to produce the ions sure you know as a rule of thumb, um, and it's it's sometimes difficult to judge there's a rule of thumb.
Speaker 4:
We say we want to be within 20 seconds of the breathing space. Um, normally you'll see ions. We're going to make, our product is going to make 300 400 ions per cubic centimeter. That's how it's measured. And our goal at the end of the day is going to be to get 5,000 to 20,000 ions in the space. So what happens between where we make the ions in the space is one. We're making these positive and negative ions right, so they're going to have like a magnet, right, they're going to have an attraction to one another, so they're going to cancel each other out A lot of times. Also, your duct work is going to be grounded, um, so the ions will be attracted through this grounded ductwork and they'll cancel out there, along with any air coming in, um, any contaminants in the air as it's in the ductwork. The ions are going to attach to that and cancel each other out so, uh, so it matters where the product is positioned.
Speaker 2:
I think that's a key takeaway from what you just said. And then you said something earlier that is a benefit, I think, to what you're providing, and that is odor elimination, and that's, I mean, did y'all just kind of stumble upon that? Hey, this is an added bonus whenever you guys were first designing this product.
Speaker 4:
I think we, through testing and the like, we knew that it worked with odors. I think there's a lot of the science that we've learned since COVID GPS. We brought on a chemist, a microbiologist, a physicist to help us understand, not just empirically, where we had tested and understood how the product worked, but to understand the science better behind it. I think the physicists and the microbiologists they were able to help us understand that really particles or odors are nothing but small particles. So as we're able to take small particles out of the air, we're able to reduce odors.
Speaker 3:
So I have a question about that and I don't know if you'll be able to answer it, but it's just, and it might not even be a practical application, but I worked in fast food when I was in high school and I always came home smelling like the French fry basket, smelling like the french fry basket. So if you, if a restaurant, installed a gps ionization product in their kitchen area, would it? Would it stop that kind of thing or no?
Speaker 4:
yeah, it'll, it'll, it'll reduce, it'll reduce those, those levels of odors.
Speaker 3:
We've got a bunch of restaurant applications, um, casino applications actually maybe, oh, probably, for cigarette smoke, right, cigarette smoke, yeah, yeah, we've got a bunch of restaurant applications.
Speaker 4:
Casino applications actually, oh, probably for cigarette smoke, right, cigarette smoke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it'll reduce that odor from the space. We'll see hospitality hotels use this to get rid of any unwanted odor. It could be mold bacteria, even in these days, right where cannabis in some places is legal.
Speaker 3:
They'll use our product to get rid of that cannabis smell, so they can turn the rooms over more quickly, okay, cool.
Speaker 2:
yeah, I actually had a friend of mine who had installed this in his house and, uh, his wife comes home and she says what is going on? And and he says, what's going? What are you talking about? It's like, uh, why can I not smell any of my scented candles anymore? And so she literally could not smell her scented candles when she got into the house. And so he says, now she doesn't bother buying them because the house doesn't smell like anything and it's actually a money saver.
Speaker 4:
So we don't have that economic business case on our website.
Speaker 3:
We've got a lot of interesting information on GPSaircom.
Speaker 4:
Not that one, but you're right. Right, the idea of ions being able to take odors out of the space. You can't direct them towards one odor versus another. It'll take that wet dog, smell out. Or if you're frying fish, it'll reduce that odor very, very quickly. Also, the scented candles the good smells and the bad smells, yeah, smell out. Or if you're frying fish, like it'll reduce that odor very, very quickly.
Speaker 2:
Also the scented candles, they could they could smell and the bad smell yeah, yeah, so I actually installed gps at my house and um. And doing that, there was a couple of things. One I noticed when it first came on that we had a ton of dust, but then, once we got rid of the dust, because you know the particles are coagulating, once we got rid of the dust, because you know the particles are coagulating, once we got rid of the dust, we hardly have to ever dust anymore. And then also, yes, and also the smell. Uh, in the house, as far as, like whenever you're to jeff's point, I can be cooking whatever, as long as that air conditioning is running and that particles are being produced in the air, you don't smell it, it's gone yeah, yeah, you do need and that's that's an important point, ryan you do need to have the fan on right, because ions are going to move with the air.
Speaker 4:
So if the fan's not running, you won't, you won't get ions into the space, be it residential or commercial, um. But we do find, like we do find, a lot of advocacy that way. You know, maybe someone in your, in your family, has um or allergies, and they'll see a significant difference after the iodization in their home.
Speaker 2:
So, Jeff, the new craze that seems to be coming in the HVAC world is something that's actually already been popular in Europe and then very much in Japan is VRV. So what is the solution for GPS whenever you're installing a VRV application in a residence or in a commercial building, industrial facility, whatever? What is the solution that GPS has for?
Speaker 4:
that. So we've developed any of those small form factors or, first of all, great applications for GPS, because we had mentioned proximity to the space and that ability to increase ion density by being close to the space. If you're looking at a VRV system or a PTAC system or a high wall unit, all of those are very, very close to the space. And we've got one product, referred to as a CI2 compact ionizer. That's about the size of a deck of cards that has a self-cleaning mechanism that you would put into the VRV cassette. It goes down to even the two by two VRV cassette is really what it was designed for. This self-cleaning mechanism stops there from really being any maintenance and the product takes up about four watts. So for end users, a lot of the facility guys like our products because it's a first-cost product Limited to no maintenance. There's no replacement parts and from an energy standpoint it takes the same amount of energy as an LED bulb. Wow.
Speaker 2:
So I know it depends on the application, but you know and I'll save Jeff from this but one of the things I want to make sure to say is that I have found that this product is actually insanely affordable too, especially with what you get out of the product, and the lifespan of the product is incredible as well. So to me it's been a no-brainer add to just about any application that we have. It's a nice I hate to say the word fail-safe, but it's nice that it adds.
Speaker 4:
it's a multiplier to your solution that you're providing the payback analysis. We've got a few calculators you can do for payback analysis. Normally your payback analysis is going to be around the two-year standpoint.
Speaker 4:
We've got some that are even greater if you think of the economics and operational savings. So there's really, when you look at GPS products, there's three different buckets, I think, where we add value. One would be this improved IQ that we spent some time talking about today, particle management, pathogen management. A second would be energy savings and operational savings A couple of different applications there.
Speaker 4:
The ASHRAE standard 62.1, which determines how much outdoor air you need to bring into the space. There's a couple of different ways you can calculate that. One is a ventilation rate procedure and that idea is you're bringing outdoor air in to dilute any contaminants that are in the space. Now that does assume that the outdoor air is clean air, which in different cases may not always be the case, especially as we're coming up, maybe on the wildfire season again. So as opposed to this VRP method, you can use an IAQP method which really looks at cleaning the indoor air. So instead of diluting, you're taking the contaminants out of the space. By doing that you're able to reduce the tonnage of your equipment and there's an energy savings afterwards because now you're using smaller tonnage equipment.
Speaker 2:
So GPS has been very focused on products that satisfy that requirement throughout time to save money design systems, we'd have to make sure that if people were in the space for a prolonged period of time, you'd have to have 15 CFM per person of outside air introduced into the space. So if you have, you know, a church, for example, to where they're going to have this large people count, you have to be able to introduce a lot of air at that time. Or if they were what's called intermittent occupancy, to where you'd have to have seven and a half CFM per person. In other words, you're going to be in and out, you know uh, moving around, and what happens is is is we're a bunch of folks in a space and we're breathing that air. We actually are, uh are contributing to that contamination and then, by introducing what your product uh that allows it to to freshen up the air, if you will, is that right, that's true.
Speaker 4:
Sometimes people refer to that as almost the off-gassing of people. The ammonias and the kind of the human odors that you bring in. We're able to mitigate.
Speaker 2:
You know, a while back there were some studies that I had read whenever and I think this is whenever I was looking into oh, what's that call? That was really big LEED, l-e-e-d so that the amount of outside air that you would bring into a space allowed it to where people were more energized, to where they were more focused on their work and being able to produce because of the freshness of the air.
Speaker 4:
I think Harvard's done a number of studies that talk about your ability to think strategically. Reduced anxieties, like by taking particles out of the air. So the cleaner the air, the better cognitive functioning people have.
Speaker 2:
I think kind of very similar to what you're saying Brain fog yeah, it helps, kind of very similar to what you're saying Brain fog yeah, it helps remove brain fog. Very cool. Well, jeff, is there a particular situation that you have been in to where you've been able to work direct with an end user and really able to just blow their mind end user?
Speaker 4:
and really able to just blow their mind. Yeah, I think there's a number of. We've had a number of great, great customers throughout time.
Speaker 4:
You know some even before the pandemic. Certainly the product had become more popular during and after the pandemic. But if you look at places like Greenville County Schools or the Charlotte Airport, they've been using our products for years and years. There they've been focused on reducing particles, also reducing any kind of odors. But more recently we've had successes with a couple of military bases in the state, mostly thinking of local applications here within North Carolina to improve the quality of life for service people, again, taking odors out of the barracks, removing pathogens and the like from the barracks, and additionally in the hospital sector.
Speaker 4:
So I'd mentioned before, a lot of hospitals will use our products to take molds, bacterias out of the air, also protect their people. So some local hospitals will use our products in their ED department, emergency department to protect their employees from people that come in with any kind of virus. You don't really know. It's an uncontrolled environment so I've seen them use our products from them and then they kind of progress. So we also, our products, can do a great job at reducing outdoor odors from coming in.
Speaker 4:
So again, hospitals will use our products to reduce helicopter exhaust odors. So most helicopters or most hospitals are going to have a helicopter pad that invariably will be near the air intake of an air handling unit. If you take that exhaust into the space, the hospitals will get a lot of complaints about headaches and the like. Just from that type of exhaust we're able to mitigate that kind of odor and then sometimes they'll even use this in places like their soiled linen area. So I think with the hospital sector you know Novant's been a big customer of ours Like it's been very rewarding to see the difference we can make in the environment of a hospital in addition to other verticals.
Speaker 2:
Very good. I think, maybe to recap what you've told us, this is a product that really is a value add to any HVAC system, or it can operate on its own inside of its space to be able to clean the air and to be able to do things like help you with dust, help you with respiratory issues, and then also to help you with cost savings as well.
Speaker 4:
Yeah, that's true. That's true, I think, ryan, one of the big changes that we're seeing in the market now you know I talked about clean water, clean air. Ashrae's put out a new procedure ASHRAE Standard 241, the control of infectious aerosols, and I think that's an important standard because it's really a fantastic effort by ASHRAE to focus on indoor air quality and to help designers, to help facilities understand the best solution that's out there. Help facilities understand the best solution that's out there. Maybe some of the background of that is it allows us to determine if decisions that we made during COVID were good decisions, because it's very specific in the type of testing. It includes ionization, testing for efficacy, testing for safety and, as you see, products qualify through ASHRAE 241,. I think it'll help us understand what the best solutions are to keep the air clean as we look forward.
Speaker 3:
And will ASHRAE make recommendations on products based on 241?
Speaker 4:
I think the specific manufacturers will follow the standards that are in ASHRAE 241 and have testing that qualifies under both the safety and the efficacy. There is a calculator in 241 that will help you understand how you can meet different levels of what they refer to as effective clean air.
Speaker 3:
Gotcha.
Speaker 2:
Very cool. Well, we have officially nerded out on this podcast.
Speaker 4:
Thank, you for helping us get there. Interesting nerdy, but interesting nerdy right.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, absolutely I found it interesting. Kelly, did you find it interesting?
Speaker 3:
I found it very interesting, but I am a pretty big nerd, that's true.
Speaker 2:
That's true. That's true, Kelly. Are you going to put GPS in your house now?
Speaker 3:
100%. I am actually we're going to talk about that after the podcast closes and how I need to get my husband on board with that, because he's also a little bit of a nerd.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, you guys can put it in one of your campers.
Speaker 3:
Right, you know, we also have three dogs. So, uh, you know, we have a lot of odors in our house. Good times.
Speaker 2:
Well, very good. Well, thank you so much, jeff, uh for your time and, uh, I've, I found this podcast very interesting. I hope everyone out there found it interesting as well. And with that, that wraps up another episode of HVACology. Thank you so much.
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Thanks, Kelly. Thank you and be sure to like and subscribe.
Speaker 2:
Kelly, thank you for keeping me on track.
Speaker 3:
You know you're so welcome.
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